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[cactusy]

[If I don't have an active post up, feel free to use this post to have your character call, videochat, text, or knock on Shaw's door.]

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[weartearrust]

There are zero nonhostile sapient species on the planet besides humans.

It's just people, animals, and the things that kill people.

[cactusy]

got it. they're not built to consider the blurry edge cases like you.

I don't think it's pointless to think about this stuff, though. it's basically just another way to think about your wants and motives.

do you know what helped make the planet better?




or

I guess what will help make the planet better

this time travel multiverse crap always makes verb tenses weird

[weartearrust]

Near as I can tell, forcing people to realize "the planet is alive" was not a euphemism, it's literal. Self-will and planning and everything. Made people realize they can't keep screwing around.

[cactusy]

and Shinra was cool with that?

is cool with that

[weartearrust]

No idea! But the impression I've been getting is the planet didn't give them a choice in the matter, cooperate or get erased by titanic planet-created antibodies designed to get rid of the virus that is 'you'.

[cactusy]

who'd you have this conversation with? Fair?

[weartearrust]

All of them, in pieces. It's understandably difficult to sit someone down and ask for the details of the most painful events of their lives.

[cactusy]

does that include Kadaj and Yazoo? you have the patience of a saint.

[weartearrust]

The boys aren't that bad. They're just rowdy.

[cactusy]

every time I see them around they're acting like crosses between teenagers and toddlers

Disclaimer, angeal's understanding of what they are is wrong.

[weartearrust]

It's pretty accurate. They are children, they've just been aged faster, I think, so they can be put to use. I imagine the Admiral doesn't have them here because they're villains so much as.. in desperate need of a chance to be more than copies.

They're doing very well so far!

Re: Disclaimer, angeal's understanding of what they are is wrong.

[cactusy]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that this is Shinra's fault

am I right?

[weartearrust]

I don't actually know that for certain. They wanted to make Sephiroth copies but never could.

And now here's these two, and there's a third that didn't make it aboard.

I assume it means at some point R&D succeeded but it's an assumption.

[cactusy]

seems like a pretty easy thing to find out, right? we've got all these eyewitnesses onboard.

[weartearrust]

Not really. I imagine it's like how things go in your government. What you see and hear about is just the tip of the iceberg, and you can only guess about the rest. No agency cooperates or talks to another about their secrets.

Nobody here had the kind of clearance to find out stuff at that level from R&D. My boss didn't for most of it either, or the other Directors. Science did its own thing and only ever reported the successes, right to the President. And they didn't go into detail on how they got where they are, just the results.

You need to remember, most of the people here from our planet were not part of the company and absolutely had none of the clearances needed to, say, be there when the boys were designed or when they were born, or even put eyes on their dossiers. Sephiroth MIGHT have, but he doesn't remember. Vincent might have, but he's twenty five years out of date.

Even I only had access to Hollander's line of research, Sephiroth and the boys were Hojo's line.

[cactusy]

we need to get you guys a genius billionaire with an insane amount of resources. it's not a fail-proof solution, but it's working out ok for us.

anyway, if your assumption is wrong, it's a hell of a big coincidence. I'm ok with putting the blame on Shinra here. having the intention to make more baby Sephiroths isn't a good look whether they succeeded or not.

[weartearrust]

We don't need more rich people out of touch with anything more than their own ambitions, but I appreciate the thought!

Call it a philosophical difference; I don't want to assign 'blame', that implies there's something negative to having them alive. Whoever cloned them, whatever their 'purpose' was, whether to try to refine the process they started on Sephiroth or something else, they're good kids.

[cactusy]

sure, I didn't mean it in the sense of thinking they're abominations or anything like that

just, Shinra's got some abominable methods

[chaos_drifter]

They study her orb for a few more seconds, then hand it back to her. “Curiosity always came easily to me. It used to feel like a state of being rather than an emotion, but it helped me feel like I had a purpose.” It was part of what drove them to want a purpose at all. “I had trouble wanting to connect with people, so I wanted to know things about them instead. Curiosity was my mind’s way of replacing connection. Anger could be your mind’s way of replacing another emotion.”

[cactusy]

"Passion," she supplies, though without any strong conviction; it's just a guess. It's the first thing that comes to mind, though, and it does so easily, like a puzzle piece fitting into place.

[weartearrust]

Sometimes, maybe. But I won't go assigning blame that doesn't necessarily belong to them either.

[cactusy]

how about, they deserve better than being seen as tools from birth?

I'm a tool now, but I chose this life. if being treated like a means to an end wasn't something I was given a choice in, that would be messed up, too.

[weartearrust]

Though it's not my story to tell, you need to understand when they speak of being seen as tools, they never once mention Shinra or the labs, only their own mother.

My mother was the engineer of my current predicament too. Though mine only wanted me to be happy.

[chaos_drifter]

“Does your cheat sheet have passion on it?” They have no idea if the cheat sheets are meant to be a representation of what they can feel, but Shaw seemed to think of it that way.

[cactusy]

you guys live under the umbrella of a really bad government/company

my mom's parents weren't great to her either, but their choices weren't made in a vacuum